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11/21/17 - 2017 New Releases All Music Episode

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  2. Inside Out, by Staunton (Rock/Hard Rock)
  3. Product Of Hip Hop, by Area 301 (Hip Hop/R&B)
  4. Crash, by Billy Winn (Pop/Dance)
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  6. Armageddon, by Derek Evry (Rock/Alternative Rock)
  7. The Crown, by Bencoolen (Rock/Pop)
  8. Ponle Fin, by Elena & Los Fulanos (Latin/World)
  9. Fine (feat Eros), by Jen Miller (Indie/Pop)
  10. Train Of Thought, by Timberbrooke (Rock, Hard Rock)
  11. Fire, by Hayley Fahey (Rock/Indie Rock)
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January 24, 2017 - Special Guest: Elena Lacayo, of Elena & Los Fulanos

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  1. Lost Children - Sam Hesh (Indie/Indie Rock)
  2. Himalayan Honey - Tempercrush (Rock)
  3. Amor Migrante - Elena & Los Fulanos (Latin/World)
  4. Step in Line - Letitia VanSant & the Bonafides (Folk/Indie Folk)
  5. Amneshia - Thaylobleu (Hard Rock/Punk Rock)
  6. Allies - Fellow Creatures (Rock/Indie)
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Elena Lacayo, of Elena & Los Fulanos

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Elena & Los Fulanos is a bilingual, folk rock band based in Washington, DC. Since 2011, they have been creating music that ranges from twangy, heartbreak-themed, folk Americana, to soothing, introspective, violin-infused, Latin rock. Influenced by front-woman Elena Lacayo’s experience growing up in two cultures (Nicaraguan and American), Elena & Los Fulanos creates a world where language and tradition meld with catchy melodies and inventive chords to enhance appreciation for diversity in an increasingly multi-cultural world. Their debut album, Miel Venenosa, earned a Washington Area Music Association (WAMMIE) nomination for Best Latin Recording in 2014.

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Interview Transcript

Brian:     Elena Lacayo is the lead singer of Elena & Los Fulanos, a bilingual folk rock band based here in Washington DC. Since 2011, they've been creating music that ranges from twangy, heartfelt themed folk Americana to soothing, introspective, violin infused, Latin rock. Elena musical influences draw on her experiences growing up in two cultures, Nicaraguan and American. Elena & Los Fulanos creates a world where language and tradition meld with catch melodies and inventive chords in our increasingly multi-cultural world. Their debut album, help me with the pronunciation here. Debut album was?

Elena:    This one's the harder one, Miel Venensoa.

Brian:     Miel Venensoa earned a Washington Area Music Award or a Wammie nomination for the Best Latin Recording in 2014.

Elena:    Miel Venenosa means poisonous honey, just for the.

Brian:     Poisonous honey. Interesting. We just heard Himalayan Honey earlier from this so wow, we got all kinds of honey on this show today. I love it. I first came across Elena & Los Fulanos when I had, and her name escapes me at this moment when I need it, on the microphone, Maryjo Mateo was on the show. She was doing a show coming up with you guys and she said, "Oh you definitely got to check out Elena." I checked out Elena and my goodness, amazing things. Listeners, it's with great pleasure that I introduce Elena Lacayo.

Elena:    Hey. How's it going everyone?

Brian:     Now tell us about you Elena. How did Elena & Los Fulanos come about? Tell us the quick story.

Elena:    Oh the quick story. You were starting to ask me about me, and I was going to go into that.

Brian:     Oh we'll come back to that, I promise.

Elena:    We'll come back to that because that is a big part of what Elena & Los Fulanos is, but I was working here in DC like so many people on policy. I moved here 10 years ago and I've been doing music and creating original songs. I was playing out and a couple of my friends were like, "Hey. I can play with you." That's kind of how we started it.

Brian:     Nice.

Elena:    We started it kind of informally and I just realized with time that I liked a lot what we were doing and I quit my job and started doing it more seriously. That's where we are now.

Brian:     Wow, so full time musician. Now tell us what you were going to say about how the music came about in your life.

Elena:    It's just that I do bilingual music. You guys only heard a song in Spanish, but there's also songs in English. At this point, I mean basically when I started the project I was a little like, well what am I supposed to do? I have songs in English and I have songs in Spanish. Do I do separate projects? Are they the same thing? Eventually I came to the conclusion that if these two things existed in my own person that they should be able to exist in a music project. That's sort of what the point is, is that people will look at me and they'll think one thing, but I actually grew up in Nicaragua and that's where my parents live. I also grew up in the states. I was born here and then we moved back when I was eight. I really grew up between the US and Nicaragua. Those are both fully parts of me and I'm fully Nicaraguan and fully American. That's kind of what we do with our music. We show that identities are more complex than what meets the eye.

Brian:     Yeah. It definitely comes across that way. The breadth, I love the breadth of your music. It's a very, not every song. It's not the same each time. There's different feelings. There's different emotions. It comes across in the music you make.

Elena:    Yeah. I almost think I'm a little musically schizophrenic. That's how I kind of consider myself, which I've decided is a better place to be than listening to a band and feeling like every song sounds the same. I'd rather be more broad than not. Really, it's interesting. When I'm putting together albums, instead of trying to make things match with each other. It's almost more narrative and it's almost more about showing the diversity of things that we do. Making sure we kind of show. If songs are too similar, we don't put them on the same album.

Brian:     Right.

Elena:    Which is interesting.

Brian:     Smart. Okay.

Elena:    You know what I mean?

Brian:     What about you, so outside of Los Fulanos. What's life like for you? What do you do in your spare time I guess you would say?

Elena:    Oh man. Well, I mean I do a lot of solo shows, which is really fun. I do all kinds of stuff as a solo artist. Now that certain things have happened politically, I'm getting a lot of requests to play movement events. I play a lot of pro-immigrant events. This weekend was kind of crazy for me. I ended up playing planned and unplanned shows. People are really hungry for this kind of music. I also work at a café, a social justice café in DC called The Potter's House, which is awesome. They have a bookstore and I help run it because I'm into books. That's kind of what I studied when I was in undergrad. It's really cool though. I mean they are sort of similar. It's sort of related to be into books and into music, both in the inability to make money off of it unfortunately. Also, just like in the fact that these are things that really shape our culture and our collective consciousness as a people. It's really cool to be in the world of ideas like that.

Brian:     That's cool. You said into books. Does that mean you read a lot of books or you just are comforted by being around them? What do you read?

Elena:    All of the above. Since I work at a bookstore, I buy a bunch of books and then I don't necessarily always have time to get to them. Unfortunately I'm much better at going to shows. I'm much better about going to shows than I am about sitting down and reading books. I'm a bit of an extrovert and music is really my focus. It's really cool to be around the world of books because people always give you their opinions even if you haven't read them, or you learn about people that are important that even if you haven't read them, you know, oh this was a very important person in the Civil Rights movement. Sometimes those people come into the cafes too. Then they'll tell who they are. They're like, "Oh I'm a SNCC leader. I grew up in Mississippi" and she's like 92 or something. It's really cool to be in that world and social justice is kind of my background and so that's a lot of what also informs my music.

Brian:     Yeah. I realize you said SNCC leader, and for those who don't know what that is, what is that?

Elena:    Oh, what is the acronym. Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. They were a big organization. John Lewis belonged to that. If you guys saw the movie, the one about MLK. [Some 00:06:53] I think it was called?

Brian:     Yes.

Elena:    The SNCC leaders are the younger folks who are kind of the ones who are the ones out on the.

Brian:     They come into the café. That's cool.

Elena:    They're pretty hard core, standing up for their rights. It's really cool to meet people who confronted such bigotry and such hatred to their face. You know what I mean? And stood up for it.

Brian:     What about you as an artist? The biggest success moment that comes to mind?

Elena:    Our biggest success, just happened the day after Thanksgiving we had this awesome opportunity to play at the Kennedy Center here. We played the Millennium Stage.

Brian:     Wow.

Elena:    It was something else. It's such a big stage in a lot of ways and nothing quite prepares you to do it until you do it. Then you realize, wow. You feel like the shoes are slightly too big for you to fill but at the end of it.

Brian:     You jump in and you say, "Absolutely. I'll wear them. Let's go."

Elena:    Totally, and it was so cool. I mean one of the things that I didn't expect from it as much is there's a lot of things I knew that would come with it. We had a huge crowd, like 500 people. It was the day after Thanksgiving so everybody was free and stuff. That was just amazing opportunity. They also had this amazing video that they did. They do videos of all of the Millennium Stage shows. They have multiple cameras and so they are-

Brian:     Awesome.

Elena:    A lot of people actually when I got off stage that came around and they were like, "Dude, the cinematography," or whatever you call the camera work, "was really great. You really need to watch it." Of course, as an artist, you take your time getting to watch yourself perform because you're very critical of yourself on stage, especially when you have to hear yourself talk. That was actually one of the coolest parts about the whole thing, is just having this really, super well produced video for your show, for your vision, for your art.

Brian:     Do you have that posted somewhere?

Elena:    Oh yeah. Absolutely.

Brian:     Can people watch that? Kennedy Center website or yours?

Elena:    Yeah. There's the Kennedy Center YouTube. You can also go to our band's website, it's, E-L-E-N-A-L-O-S-F-U-L-A-N-O-S .com, or if you Google Elena Los Fulanos, it'll be the first one to come up. There's a video part there and you can go to that. You can also see our video for Amor Migrante.

Brian:     Yeah check out the video. I've got those links on too so you can check them out after the show. Now what about your earliest memory with music?

Elena:    Well, legend has it. I'm the youngest of four.

Brian:     We started with a legend?

Elena:    Yeah a legend. It's because I don't know if to believe my parents on this. You know? I'm the youngest of four so when they talk about things that I did when I was, and we were like refugees. We had just come to the states from Nicaragua and we were fleeing war. I don't really think they remember my first anythings. I kind of feel like they make it up a little bit.

Brian:     Mom, Dad, we want to believe you but we're not sure. Okay.

Elena:    I was like, "Mom, Dad, what was my first word?" They were like, "You didn't speak you just sang." That's what they tell me.

Brian:     That sounds like something a parent would say.

Elena:    I know that my first song was The Blue Danube. That's kind of high brow but it's because my oldest brother is trained in French horn and I guess he probably was rehearsing and stuff. I don't know how I got The Blue Danube. You guys know which one that? La, dum, dum, dum, dump, bum-bum, bum-bum.

Brian:     Oh, and there's words to that?

Elena:    No. I would just hum it.

Brian:     Okay you were humming. Okay.

Elena:    Apparently.

Brian:     You were singing the horn part.

Elena:    They were like, "Oh cool. She's in tune. This one has potential."

Brian:     Real potential, and now look at you. You're here. You're performing the Kennedy Center.

Elena:    I know, well that wasn't. I was very rebellious towards my parents and their desire for me to be a musician. I really never took that role and I didn't really care for music classes. I kind of did it on my own terms, which I'm not sure I recommend because I'm pretty uninformed when it comes to music theory and a lot of the rules but, it hasn't yet effected my ability to write it. I think it more effects my ability to communicate with other musicians.

Brian:     Yeah I could see that.

Elena:    It works out.

Brian:     I was saying, it's working so far. Now, one of my favorite questions to ask is always, what's one piece of advice that you would offer?

Elena:    To other musicians?

Brian:     Sure. However, you want to answer the question.

Elena:    I think, I mean maybe it sounds corny but I think it's being true to one's self and being authentic to the person that you are. Try to figure that out. It's actually much more difficult than you think when you start the exercise.

Brian:     Say more on that.

Elena:    Just in the sense of like, music is an externalization of yourself. Art in general is an externalization of your interior world. You know? The more that you explore yourself and you know yourself the better you will be able to access that so as to bring your vision to other people. There's something about reaching the authentic point of yourself, that connects with other people. It's sort of like you access this universal concept and you put it out there. Other people will access that same thing, but through their own experience. The more authentic that you are, it doesn't really matter what form it takes. That's the thing about music, it's so subjective. There's really no formula to what's great and what's not. I think what clearly comes through is when you're being authentic to yourself and when you're rounded in a vision of what, kind of who you are. It's weird. I mean it's like kind of a [inaudible 00:12:59] to talk about.

                  It's the same idea of you know when people have gone in to buy guitars or to try out guitars at guitar stores. It kind of doesn't matter how much the guitar costs, or what it's made out of or all these other specs, what counts is when yo sit down and play the guitar, do you feel inspired by it? There are some guitars where you feel that and there are some guitars where you're like, eh not really. I don't really want to play that much anymore. It's like this intangible thing.

Brian:     Got it.

Elena:    Yeah.

Brian:     Wow, that's cool. Two questions then, together. One is, if folks want to find out more about you, and the exciting things going on wit Los Fulanos, where do they go for that, and you had mentioned to me before the show that there were some cool things coming up for you. Talk about that.

Elena:    If you want to check us out more, you can go to or if you want to just Google Elena & Los Fulanos. That has all of our info. It has our videos, also has our music video for Amor Migrante, which you can check out there. We are actually raising money right now through Indiegogo. We have a campaign going on for our next album. If you all are interested in that, you can check that out as well on our website. We have a fundraising show for that on February 9th at Haydee's in Mount Pleasant and you all can come to that and check out what we're planning to do and if you want to go to an actual show, that's open to everybody and mostly about fundraising. This Friday I will be at The Black Cat with the Nine Songwriter Series. That's Friday, January 27th at The Black Cat. I can do this. Oh look at that.

Brian:     There is video of this interview and if you check it out, she's holding up the card here so you can actually see her talking to you on video.

September 20, 2016 - Special Guest: Josh Stoltzfus, Director - Cultural Development, Arlington County, VA

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Josh Stoltzfus

Director - Cultural Affairs - Arlington, VA

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Primarily responsible for programming events presented by Arlington Arts, Stoltzfus brings over 15 years of experience in the arts working at such notable institutions as Wolf Trap, The Kennedy Center, Columbia Festival of the Arts, and Artisphere.  He holds a Bachelor of Music from Berklee College of Music and an MA in Arts management from American University.  Additionally he spent his early career working as an artist representative working with some of the leading names in American Roots and World Music. Before his career as arts administrator he was a working musician with numerous recording and performance credits having studied with such master blues guitarists such as Ronnie Earl and Wendell Holmes.

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Interview Transcript:

Brian: And now it's time for the special guests for the show which I've been so excited about. Have you ever been to an absolutely incredible festival or show which was put on in the community by the community and you wondered who sets up these events, how do they find these acts? Who are the incredible people whose life and career it is to provide the community these amazing gifts and listeners I am excited and beyond honored to have special guest Josh Stoltzfus, the director of cultural development for Arlington County on the show with me today. Say Hi to everybody Josh.

Josh: Hey, thanks for having me on

Brian: Absolutely it an honor to have you here and let's find out more about you.

Josh: Let's jump right in.

Brian: Tell us more, tell us who Josh is and tell us about cultural director for Arlington county.

Josh: Yeah right. I guess so I mean maybe phase three of my career at this point I started out as a musician and that's why I grew up playing and I went to music school as guitar player, playing music for years and I was always playing in bands and working in music. So I was working for like Rounded records when I got out of school I had spent some time with booking and management companies. Well it was always like a split thing so I was playing music and then I was trying to make a living in the music business during the day which isn't an easy thing.

Brian: No (Laughs)

Josh: Neither of those things really so at some point I went back to school and then I transitioned into my career's presenter and representing working for different festivals, nonprofit organizations and then Arlington County.

Brian: Wow! Very cool and so now in Arlington county tell us, tell us what it means to do what you do.

Josh: Yeah. So Cultural Affairs Division is which is where I work is we provide material support to artists through grants and space and services, we have theaters that they can use and production support. We have a really strong public art program, we have humanities based work, we have just wrapped an incredible project about Vietnamese immigration here in Arlington with a publication that was cast down for the oral histories that have been collected over the years. We have strong visual arts representation which has just got approval to have our art truck which is going to roll out next year and be basically a mobile artist-in-residence space. So will have different artists that'll go out of the truck and bring our projects directly to the community, kind of a unique program for next year we'll start doing that and we do a fair amount of presenting too. So we have summer concert series we do out of love running up the theater which is outside of Boston and involved a couple of festivals Rosslyn Jazz festival which we just wrapped about two weeks ago, happens every year in September and that we work on Columbia Pike Blues festival as well and we have a global music series which is contemporary international music.

Brian: So it sounds like it's a lot of music and what would you say how much of it is, how much of what you do is about the music and how much is about arts or visual arts or is it a good spread, how’s it?

Josh: It's a really good mix and you know I would say in terms of the stuff that I am most directly nvolved in programming, it is a lot of music but the team that I work with as I said it's got their hands and all this other stuff visual arts, humanities work. I work next door the public art program. So see all the stuff that these guys are into and our worlds crossover on things too. So it's a good mix but yeah you're right there's a fair amount of music and I think it plays to like all the stuff that we do place the strength of the people that are working there happens to be what I do and so you know we do.

Brian: And how if folks are listening and they want to be involved with Arlington county with some of the music whether they want to get their musician and they want to potentially perform on love or honor if their fans or music fans that want to come check out some of the events, where did they go for that stuff how does that work?

Josh: Yeah sure so like as a musician if you're interested in doing a show working with something just reach out to me directly. I'm on the county website, go to and find my information there.

Brian: Ok.  I'll post the link to that stuff on the show. Yeah, to the folks that are listening.

Josh: Just email me and hardly anyone does this anymore but yes please don't send hard copies (Laughs)

Brian: Ok no CDs, emails.

Josh: I have actively tried to get rid of all my old CDs and so electronic stuff. Please I try to listen to everything so that means as far as like you know going to shows are participating in programs and although the stuff we're in, we're on Facebook of course. That Facebook is probably best way to stay up-to-date with things as they're rolling out.

Brian: Got it.

Josh:  So definitely like us there, follow us there.  We have an e-newsletter signup, check it out and we're fairly active. I would say is probably on any given week we've got at least one thing going on, sometimes in the busier seasons we've got two three different programs that we are having a week.

Brian: It is so there are seasons like summer season then I take it.

Josh: Yeah it's busy in the summer and the fall is a little slower and spring you know when we take off kind of on academic calendar but with a summer session

Brian: Got it. Ok

Josh: But December- January definitely slows down for us.

Brian: Got it.

Josh: From holidays to that

Brian: Makes sense.

Josh: And it's a little cold outside so all the stuff has to be indoors anyway.

Brian:  It makes sense.

Josh: It picks up during the summer with the seasons.

Brian:  So now over the years you've been at this music thing for a while. Tell us your connection to music before you got into it from the booking and the cultural development side, what you played instruments tell us about that.

Josh: Yeah. So I'm guitar player by training that's what I you know grew up playing in, you know, garage bands and high school junior high actually you know playing it 12-13 years old plan clubs and stuff, it's 16 sneaking and all that.

Brian: Wow!

Josh: Alright, did that all throughout college and afterwards as well played a lot of, you know, roots American Music interested in, really into the blues, you know, rock music which I grew up on and you know pretty wide interest jazz, international stuff, honky-tonk, you know, there's not too much I don't like.

Brian: Got it.

Josh: And playing the stuff first.

Brian: And then you transition, how long do you still play guitar now? On the side with the kids or …

Josh: Yeah, yeah. It's like so it's kind of the audience now tends to be more the dog in and my toddlers at home.

Brian: (Laughs) The best audience.

Josh: Yeah you cannot do anything wrong with them. I still play a little bit there was a time where I was more transitioning and I was playing still more regularly but now it's pretty rare but I get out there may be two or three times a year and do stuff.

Brian: Gotcha. And so now in the history of all of this cultural development in this stuff that lets say with Arlington county what's your proudest or coolest moment that comes to mind when you think back on what you've been doing with the county?

Josh: Hmm.. That's I mean every show and every program is kind of you know unique in some way that has its own satisfaction and for me it's about that moment when find all the work that goes into the advanced you know from discovering something to planning to all the logistical details and then you finally get to it and see you know when people come to it and like you're like oh you know this is you're not doing this in a vacuum. There's this whole audience that finds the shows and programs and see the that reaction you know. So I really sit in the audience, I tend to sit in the back because I want to watch the audience reaction to what's going on stage and to me that's what's the payoff. I value a unique opportunity to meet a lot of really amazing people over the years and you know almost none of them has disappointed, you know, you don't meet your heroes but I've never had that really bad experience (Laughs)

Brian: And that's great news

Josh: I love it and I got to say in the in the DC area there's definitely some amazing people that are involved in this music scene and even from outside. Just really genuinely awesome people that I've met, it's kind of cool to see to meet them and see them for real.

Josh: Well, that's the thing to let me think a little more about your question like being proud of us with stuff is that you know when you are able to grow with an artist and so maybe you're working at a new festival or a new venue and you take on working with someone who's also just getting started you are able to grow together and that what they do helps you and your program and you know vice versa. You're helping them as well. So that kind of mutual support and community is the unique thing.

Brian: Yeah, and so I want to jump forward here to what’s about the biggest lessons you've learned with what you do is that is there something that stands out as far as a lesson learned.

Josh: Yeah, a couple things you know. I would say one is and it's not a unique ceremony is that to trust your gut and like usually your first reaction is a good one if you have to think on it too long if you have too many questions about an artist or a program at some point you just got to go now we're going to move on this point. That's why you're trying to talk to yourself and you see the issues in front of you and you're really just trying to talk yourself into it for whatever reason and I actually find that's a good point to say we'll pick this up another time and maybe do it all the time.

Brian: Trust your gut. Ok. I can definitely I'm and that advice seems to just keep coming back all through life at the trust your gut thing. I guess I'm really curious now about doing what you do is it does all the music come to you how do you find your music. I mean obviously for work. You said people email it to you but how else do you find your music?

Josh: You know it's changed over the years obviously it's a lot easier you know being able to use the internet to find new music.

Brian: Yeah.

Josh: But it's also harder too because there are so many resources you have to find that filtering which otherwise you just get totally lost in it. So there are certain benchmarks stuff that I always fall back on. I was just like everybody I was listening to the all songs considered podcast earlier day and you know I try to check that our so the other NPR stuff like all that email as well you know that mutual or rather than that conglomeration of network of friends and colleagues and to select I try to ask everyone I know I make a point when we're talking whether it's an artist or another promoter or somebody just what you listen to what's new that you're digging on and that's often some of the best leads for stuff you know because you can't hear everything and no I'm like why so try and lean on each other and find stuff I think musicians are often really good resources for that because they're on the ground they're hearing so much stuff and I find that like another musician has something positive thing about another band that's a really good endorsement.

Brian: Absolutely. And with the radio to like I'm a local musician and I hear it here and obviously with the radio show that I connected with a lot of music and it really musicians are a great one if you don't have a really fun conversation talk to a local musician about great music in the area because they always have great stories and songs to share which is I mean that's part of how this radio show exists that very reason and one of the last questions that I would love to ask on these interviews is if you had one piece of advice you would offer to DC area musicians and one piece of advice to DC music fans what would that be?

Josh: Just one? (Laughs)

Brian: Yeah. Let's go with the Highland and give me one and I mean you're allowed to if you just die and yeah let's stick to what's the one that comes to mind.

Josh: I think the one you know and I'll say this as musician myself as someone who came up playing in bands and like it was the hustle and you know what you go through to get gigs, try to keep it just moving forward is for musicians just make sure that as much time you're spending on your art spend the same amount of time on your business and specifically the marketing aspect of your business, so pay attention to all those things and that it doesn't mean like you know the old days where are you going to add your headshot this and that things just be super conscious about how you're presenting yourself to your audience, to other clubs or whatever district people you're trying to connect with and pick work on that as much less as important as the music and I know that's maybe not the most part friendly sentiment and what is the reality because you can't get in the door if you can't distinguish yourself in some way it's not going to matter that you've got the great spring.

Brian: Right. So and that's a great one spend as much time marketing as you do on the music and then you get the more well-balanced thing and what about to the DC music fans?

Josh: Support local music

Brian: Yeah that's it. Favorite way that you think what would you say if you're supporting local music what does that mean to you?

Josh: Well. I mean and so we're talking about DC music specifically, right?

Brian: Yes, DC.

 Josh: This is universal force and that's I mean now with the changing economy it means going to shows because you know there's still haven't figured out the new way so that everyone's getting paid for the reported music industry that will become a viable revenue stream again for folks but in the meantime shows and by the merge but that's really all you want help.

Brian: So how could you help with the handout.

Josh: Have one less beverage at the show and put that money into a t-shirt or something and that can really support musicians.

Brian: And I can honestly say it is an awesome feeling when you walk out of the area and you found out that that three people walked out with shirts, 10 people walked out with shirts and CDs that feeling that they enjoyed it and they make music with you. DC music fans if you pick up some memories that's definitely awesome good stuff. So that with every guess that comes on the show I always challenged them to bring me awesome music and Josh delivered tenfold on that request so I am so excited to share the music that he brought with him so let's start, you said Harry Bells. What's this first track you've got for us?

Josh: You have to remind me what I brought.

Brian: Was it Matilda?

Josh: Matilda, yes.

Brian: Alright. So we got here is the Harry Bells with Matilda. Bye guys. You're awesome.