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7/31/18 - Special Guest: Black Dog Prowl

This week on DC Music Rocks, Black Dog Prowl, one of Washington, D.C.'s hardest hitting rock bands, stops by for a chat with host Brian Nelson-Palmer.  The episode also features great tracks by Tired All The Time, Curse Words, Caustic Casanova, and FuzzQueen.

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Black Dog Prowl Bio:

Black Dog Prowl

Black Dog Prowl is considered one of Washington, D.C.'s hardest hitting rock bands. The four-piece showcases original material ranging from the slow, down-tuned to a fast-paced kick in the teeth. If one insists on drawing a line to the familiar, BDP has drawn sonic comparisons to the likes of Soundgarden, Torche, and Nirvana.

The band has built their reputation on a powerful live show, playing and headlining notable DC area venues like Black Cat, Rock & Roll Hotel, Velvet Lounge, and The Fillmore Silver Spring, as well as touring internationally in Mexico and Chile; and sharing the stage with renowned acts like Steel Panther, Candlebox, The Answer, and The Parlor Mob. 

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Black Dog Prowl

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  1. ***Bone Dry, by Tired All The Time (Punk, Post-Punk)

  2. Vapor, by Black Dog Prowl (Hard Rock, Grunge)

  3. Escape From Promixa-B, by Curse Words (Punk, Punk Rock)

  4. The Space Needle, by Caustic Casanova (Hard Rock, Psychedelic Metal)

  5. Angry Angry, by FuzzQueen (Rock, Indie Rock)

***The first time we've played this artist for you on the show, & a new artist profile added to our DC Artist Database!  There's new artists every week!

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Congratulations to Justin Shapiro and Maryjo Mattea who will be joining us on stage at the festival!  Thanks to the more than 500 people who voted! All four of these finalists are so good! We’re such huge fans of Crys Matthews and Abby Sevcik, We hope you’ll add them to your playlists, like their pages, and check them out at one of their shows!  

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  • NAH. - Vitamin D
    (Indie Single - RIYL Courtney Barnett, Tame Impala, Pond, Hospitality)

  • Young Summer - Save The World
    (Indie Single - RIYL Beach House, Grace Slick, if Lana Del Rey and Adele had a baby)

  • Clutch - Hot Bottom Feeder
    (Hard Rock Single - RIYL Led Zeppelin, Faith No More, Motorhead, Black Sabbath)

  • Colourtheory - Missin’ Ur Face
    (Hard Rock Single - RIYL Alkaline Trio and Foo Fighters)



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Here’s just a few highlights for the coming week, be sure to check out the calendar for the full list of all the upcoming shows!

Aug 4 - Sat
Emily Henry @ MilkBoy ArtHouse in College Park, MD (Pop/Singer-Songwriter)
DuPont Brass @ Songbyrd Music House in Washington, DC (Funk/Brass Band)

Aug 5 - Sun
Makeup Girl @ Songbyrd Music House in Washington, DC (Rock/Pop)
Lori Williams @ City Winery in Washington DC (Jazz)
Better Homes & Unsullied @ Union Stage in Washington, DC (Rock/Hard Rock)

Aug 6 - Mon
Annie Stokes @ DC9 Nightclub in Washington, DC (Folk)

Aug 9 - Thu
Karen Jonas @ Union Stage in Washington, DC (Country/Folk)


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6/12/18 - Special Guest: The Split Seconds

Thanks to Drew, Steve, Alex, and Sean of The Split Seconds, for hanging out with us in the studio this week! 

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  1. ***Constellation, by Kevin Olson (Indie, Acoustic)

  2. Everybody's Wrong, by The Split Seconds (Punk, Pop Punk)

  3. Falling, by Derek Evry (Rock, Alternative)

  4. ***The Fall, NUEX (Pop, Dark Electro-Pop)

  5. Strange Shapes, by Curse Words (Punk, Punk Rock)

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  • Clones of Clones - Neighborhoods (4 Song Rock EP, RIYL Maroon 5)

  • Flasher - Constant Image (10 Song Rock LP, RIYL Sneaks)

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Here’s just a few highlights for the coming week, be sure to check out the calendar for the full list of all the upcoming shows!

Fri Jun 15
- Juxt @ Dupont Underground (Hard Rock, RIYL Lady Gaga/Nirvana)
- Black Masala @ Yards Park Summer Concert Series (Funk, RIYL Brass Bands/Gypsy Balkan Punk)

Sat Jun 16
Yellow Dubmarine @ The Soundry (Reggae, RIYL The Beatles/Bob Marley

Sun Jun 17
Near Northeast @ Union Stage (Indie, RIYL Timber Timbre)

Thu Jun 21
Sol Roots & Three Man Soul Machine @ Pearl Street Warehouse (Funk/Blues, RIYL Soulive/Jon Cleary)


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The Split Seconds

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The Split Seconds Bio:

The Split Seconds

Reclaiming the raw style of 70’s punk, with undertones of classic pop, rock and roll, and reggae, The Split Seconds have been lauded as a return to form for punk rock. Described by the Washington Post as “DC punk rock sound distilled,” The Split Seconds have maintained momentum following the release of their first LP, “Center of Attention.” Poised for their second full length release, there is no doubt that “Counterfeit Reality” doubles down and delivers yet another dose of bold, catchy, and pointed songwriting. Be sure to catch The Split Seconds on Warped Tour 2018.



The Split Seconds
The Split Seconds


Brian:                           On DC Music Rocks, we're shining a spotlight on the great songs, artists and incredible people behind the DC region's music scene. Reclaiming the raw style of 70's punk with undertones of classic pop, rock and roll and reggae, The Split Seconds have been lauded as a return to the form for p ... To form for, it ... Look at me. I'm so excited you're here. They have been lauded as, it's a ... Have been lauded as a return to form for punk rock. Described by the Washington Post as "DC punk rock sound distilled." The Split Seconds have maintained momentum following the release of their first LP Center of Attention and poised for their second full-length release. There is no doubt that Counterfeit Reality, which you just heard a track from, doubles down and delivers yet another dose of bold, catchy and pointed songwriting and that awesome classic pop. Guys.

Brian:                           I first came across these guys because I've known 'em since before and then I had the honor of having them, they played in the DC Music Rocks Festival last year. And just blew me away with that performance. And if you haven't seen these guys live, you gotta go check out their release show that's happening, tell 'em again, June 30th.

Drew Champion:          June 30th at the Black Cat.

Brian:                           At the Black Cat. Gotta come see these guys because seeing 'em live is ... It just doesn't do it justice if you don't see it live. So, guys, I've been a fan for a while and so it's freaking awesome that there's a new album and I get to share it and you're all here with me right now. Thanks for being here.

Drew Champion:          Thanks for having us, yeah.

Stephen Parsons:          Thanks for having us.

Brian:                           This is cool. All right, now what is it ... Talk about the name. Where does the name of Split Seconds come from?

Drew Champion:          The Split Seconds, it kind of started as a project where I had a lot of songs left over from an older project that I did called The Coastals. And I wasn't sure what was gonna come of the project, so I just ended up heading into the studio with my buddy Goo, who plays in Boardroom Heroes, he was on drums and I did the rest of it. But I didn't expect the project to really stick around that long.

Brian:                           Nice.

Drew Champion:          So yeah, and I thought just for kind of like a tight, kind of punchy, up-tempo, classic punk rock band, it just sounded like a cool name. So the sound of the name fit the sound of the band. And luckily, I ended up meeting Sean here and then bringing these guys on board. And we've been able to turn it into something that looks like it's going good places.

Brian:                           That's awesome.

Drew Champion:          There's a little bit of fatalism baked into the name, but hopefully it's not entirely correct.

Brian:                           Awesome. And so they're listening to you and they're maybe watching on the YouTube video or they're listening to you right now, introduce yourselves and what you play for the band. Who is everybody?

Drew Champion:          I'm Drew Champion, I'm lead vocals and guitar.

Stephen Parsons:          My name is Stephen Parsons, I play the bass guitar.

Sean Peterson:             My name is Sean Peterson, I play the drums.

Alex Massi:                   And I'm Alex Massi and I play guitar and vocals.

Brian:                           There it is. And wow, guys. So four pieces produce that sound. And what part of the DC region are you guys connected to?

Drew Champion:          I grew up in Gaithersburg. Lived in and around DC ever since. I've lived in PG County in DC proper and Virginia.

Brian:                           K, and that's Drew. And when you're talking, say your name so that the other guys know. What about you other guys?

Stephen Parsons:          I think that we're all from around the general DC, DMV area.

Sean Peterson:             Yeah.

Alex Massi:                   Yeah.

Brian:                           Like born and raised, most of you guys? Or is anybody from [crosstalk 00:03:15]

Sean Peterson:             No, you talk to-

Stephen Parsons:          No, I'm actually from Florida, but I moved here, I don't know, eight years ago.

Brian:                           Okay. All right, so been here for a while.

Drew Champion:          Stephen's from Florida, but he moved here.

Brian:                           Yeah.

Drew Champion:          Sean's from ... What was it?

Sean Peterson:             Michigan.

Drew Champion:          Michigan.

Sean Peterson:             Yeah.

Brian:                           Nice.

Drew Champion:          He moved here. And Alex is another Gaithersburger.

Alex Massi:                   Yeah, I'm also a Gaithersburger.

Drew Champion:          Yeah.

Brian:                           Wow. Did you guys know each other in Gaithersburg back in the day?

Alex Massi:                   Not at all.

Drew Champion:          No. No.

Brian:                           No. That's amazing.

Drew Champion:          Yeah, so, actually we have some other friends in bands that are Gaithersburgers too, but we didn't know them either until we all started playing punk rock together in DC.

Brian:                           That's amazing. So now, talk about, so the funniest moment for The Split Seconds when you've been onstage? Tell, what's the funniest moment?

Drew Champion:          Onstage?

Sean Peterson:             Onstage or offstage?

Brian:                           Well now, when you say that, I now wanna hear both. So tell me both because I'm too curious.

Drew Champion:          Onstage might have been, there was a show we were playing, I won't say where, but we had a sound guy who ...

Brian:                           I feel like this is the beginning of every good joke: "So there once was this sound guy ..."

Drew Champion:          There once was a sound guy and he looked like he had maybe watched Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure and picked up wardrobe tips and never looked back.

Brian:                           Oh, wow.

Drew Champion:          And a full-on bandana. And he was, I don't know what he was on, but it was something. And he kept like leaving the board and going outside. So didn't get very good sound for that show, but did get a couple of good stories out of that one.

Brian:                           For real. Absolutely.

Drew Champion:          He got in a massive fight with our bassist at the time, it was hilarious.

Sean Peterson:             Oh, those one-

Brian:                           I was gonna say, this is supposed to be a funny story and all he did was walk away and you didn't get good sound. I feel like there's something else you're leaving out there.

Drew Champion:          Well let me tell you that like being witness to both sides of the argument, everybody was wrong.

Brian:                           All right. So that's the onstage story. What about funniest moment offstage for you guys?

Sean Peterson:             Are you familiar with Murphy's Law? Everything that can go wrong will go wrong.

Brian:                           Oh, this is so good, tell me more.

Sean Peterson:             Well we had a show up in Poughkeepsie, New York about a year ago where we were opening up for a band called The Menzingers, which are a phenomenal band, I think out of Scranton, Pennsylvania.

Drew Champion:          Yeah.

Brian:                           Okay.

Sean Peterson:             They're great and we were really, really excited. But everything wrong that could have gone wrong went wrong trying to get up there. So it took a long time for us to rent a van.

Drew Champion:          Yeah, it turns out you can't rent ... Pro tip: you can't rent a van with a debit card. Just that pro tip.

Brian:                           Oh, okay.

Sean Peterson:             So that took a long time. And then the van only had two seats.

Brian:                           Oh.

Sean Peterson:             So Drew finally considered: he's late and all of us are mad at Drew and then Drew comes up with this two-seater van and there's actually four in the band. Those are two completely different numbers.

Stephen Parsons:          And he's just, "Welp-"

Sean Peterson:             So, Alex and Steve-

Stephen Parsons:          Get in the back.

Sean Peterson:             Begrudgingly drive up in the Alex's Prius. And Drew and I basically are white-knuckling it up to New York. And we get a call from Travis, the guy who owns our label, and he's fuming 'cause we're not there and they want us to soundcheck. So we're at somewhere in New Jersey, somewhere in New York, and Drew really has to go to the bathroom. And there's just, we can't stop, there's no time, we're gonna miss this show. So as I'm driving, maybe doing like 90, 95, down the expressway in terrible traffic, Drew climbs over all of our gear, in the back of this van, goes all the way to the back and has to go to the bathroom in a Gatorade bottle.

Drew Champion:          Yeah.

Brian:                           Oh my goodness.

Sean Peterson:             It was-

Brian:                           Yeah, everything that could go wrong.

Sean Peterson:             Oh, wait, no, I got a picture of it.

Brian:                           Did you get a ticket too? 'Cause like ...

Sean Peterson:             No.

Brian:                           All right.

Sean Peterson:             But I've got a picture of it on my phone. I'll show you later.

Drew Champion:          It was great. More, more.

Sean Peterson:             I was taking this picture while I was driving, so, sorry, Mom.

Stephen Parsons:          And while he's peeing.

Drew Champion:          I didn't have a change of clothes either, so it was a real high wire act, you know?

Brian:                           I feel like, all right, so when you go to the Black Cat and see these guys on June 30th, make sure you catch up with Sean to get this picture.

Sean Peterson:             Yep.

Brian:                           Because this is oh-

Sean Peterson:             I mean, it's just, it's blackmail. You know, that's just what it is.

Drew Champion:          I was just looking out the back windows asking myself questions about what I was doing with my life.

Brian:                           Oh my god, guys. What about the biggest success moment that comes to mind when you think about The Split Seconds so far?

Drew Champion:          I'd say on paper, we're gonna be playing Warped Tour this July and that's real cool. For me personally, just growing up in Montgomery County and living in DC and the surroundings, you know, I always ... 9:30 Club is always like the top of the hill for me. And so just on a personal level, playing DC Music Rocks Festival last year was like a really big deal for me. So yeah.

Brian:                           Wow. Thanks guys.

Sean Peterson:             Thanks.

Brian:                           I love that I get to be a part of that. That's cool. All right. Well now, so, okay, my favorite question that I love to ask also is on a personal side, each of you guys, talk about what you do outside of The Split Seconds. Drew, you go first, man.

Drew Champion:          Yeah, this is-

Brian:                           Run down the line.

Drew Champion:          Yeah, I'm a mechanical engineer. I work in Bethesda and when I'm not mechanical engineering or playing music, I've been taking boxing lessons.

Brian:                           Really?

Drew Champion:          Yeah. I'm not good yet.

Brian:                           And just straight-up traditional boxing?

Drew Champion:          Yeah.

Brian:                           Or kickboxing, or-

Drew Champion:          Nah, just straight-up.

Brian:                           Yeah.

Drew Champion:          I figure like when I get my hands down then maybe I can move to the other extremities.

Brian:                           Okay. Start with the hands?

Drew Champion:          Yeah, you gotta start with the hands.

Brian:                           I got it. There we go. And is that up at ... Are you still ... You said Gaithersburg, are you still up in Maryland? Or where were you originally?

Drew Champion:          Nah, I just actually moved to Bethesda to be close to where I was working.

Brian:                           Nice.

Drew Champion:          I was working in Tenleytown before that.

Brian:                           Okay. Got ya. All right. Talk to us next.

Stephen Parsons:          Well this is Stephen. And besides hanging out with my pit bull, who's adorable, I play-

Sean Peterson:             Can confirm, yeah.

Stephen Parsons:          I play a lot of chess.

Brian:                           Really?

Stephen Parsons:          Like an obscene amount. Just-

Brian:                           Is this like online tournaments or in person?

Stephen Parsons:          No, I play ... Well, I mean, both, but it's more fun to play against other people over the board. Yeah, totally.

Brian:                           Interesting. Okay.

Stephen Parsons:          It's exciting, I love it.

Brian:                           I mean, it's a slow-paced game. But it's kind of funny because I picture you playing bass, like I don't know why ... If you didn't see the picture on social media of this episode, you saw him right up against the camera like going crazy with his bass. And then I'm imagining that same guy like slow and poised, sitting behind a chess board.

Stephen Parsons:          Oh yeah. Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Brian:                           Not moving for minutes at a time.

Stephen Parsons:          It's a mental battle. It's great, I love it.

Brian:                           That's amazing. Wow, all right. What's new? Talk to us, Sean.

Sean Peterson:             Hey, this is Sean. So outside of this band, I play in another band. I'm a professional drummer in a cover band called The Jump-Off, we play all down the east coast. So that's pretty much all I get to do with my time is either Split Seconds or Jump-Off.

Stephen Parsons:          Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Sean Peterson:             Playing in bands.

Brian:                           Wow. And so does that mean on average, how many shows are you playing like a week, or a year, or a month?

Sean Peterson:             Right now, I'm playing about three to four per week, which is kinda cool. Being busy is good and being busy means I get paid more, which is always awesome.

Brian:                           Also very true.

Sean Peterson:             But this has been the first year of me not having like a day job, 'cause while I was playing with these guys in DC, I was working various kind of odd jobs here and there. So it's been interesting completely committing myself to music, both in terms of time and finances.

Brian:                           That's amazing, man.

Sean Peterson:             So yeah.

Brian:                           Wow. Congrats. All right, cool.

Sean Peterson:             Thanks.

Brian:                           Props to you for going full-time, man. It's interesting, 'cause in DC, there's some that are full-time and then some that aren't and some that are trying to transition to that and then some people that aren't and-

Sean Peterson:             There's a huge gray area of part-time.

Brian:                           Yes.

Sean Peterson:             And what that means to be part-time. 'Cause it's like a spectrum: like there's some people where part-time is like oh, they're full-time but they kind of have the job for safety. And there's some people who are part-time 'cause they're barely part-time, you know?

Brian:                           Right, yep. True.

Sean Peterson:             So it's fun. It's a little bit scary at times, but it's fun.

Brian:                           Yeah. That's awesome. All right. You're next, man.

Alex Massi:                   Yep. This is Alex. And I'm computer science by trade, which means I get to sit at a desk for eight hours a day, at least, on a lucky day. And then outside of that, I mean I play a lot of video games, I throw down on N64.

Brian:                           Ni, okay.

Alex Massi:                   Yep.

Brian:                           Say more.

Stephen Parsons:          You can't handle me though.

Brian:                           What games? What are games?

Alex Massi:                   No, I destroy Steve at Smash.

Stephen Parsons:          Yeah, that's not true.

Sean Peterson:             He destroys everyone at Smash.

Stephen Parsons:          Untrue.

Brian:                           Smash Brothers Smash? What is that?

Stephen Parsons:          Yeah.

Alex Massi:                   Yeah, Super Smash Brothers.

Brian:                           Okay.

Alex Massi:                   On N64.

Brian:                           Got it.

Alex Massi:                   Yeah, I also recently got into Fortnight, which is like popular with the kids these days.

Brian:                           Nice. Is that also on N64?

Alex Massi:                   No.

Stephen Parsons:          No.

Alex Massi:                   No, no, that's like on the computer and like, I don't know, it's like on your smartphone, too. I don't know how that works.

Brian:                           Oh. I was gonna say, and if they don't know what Fortnight is, what is ... What is Smash Brothers and what is Fortnight if they don't know what those two are? What kind of game is that?

Alex Massi:                   Oh, word. All right, Smash Brothers is like a throwback fighting game, but not like Tekken or Streetfighter. I don't know how to describe this thing.

Brian:                           So it's one-on-one like Mortal Kombat or like what kind of-

Drew Champion:          It's like Mario gets in fights with Yoshi, right?

Brian:                           Okay.

Alex Massi:                   Yeah, yeah.

Sean Peterson:             It's got all the Nintendo characters.

Stephen Parsons:          Yeah.

Sean Peterson:             So like Starfox and Samus.

Brian:                           Oh, I got you.

Drew Champion:          And the little mushroom guy.

Brian:                           And you're fighting each other?

Alex Massi:                   Yeah.

Sean Peterson:             Yeah.

Brian:                           Okay. And then what and the other one?

Alex Massi:                   Yeah, Fortnight's expanding. That's like a new genre called battle royale. And it's just you drop a hundred people onto a big map, they shoot each other with guns. Someone wins.

Brian:                           Oh, nice.

Alex Massi:                   It's never me.

Stephen Parsons:          Hopefully not.

Brian:                           One day, we're training, we're working on it.

Alex Massi:                   Oh, I'm working on it. Yeah.

Brian:                           Oh gosh, that's amazing. So now, what about, switching gears then back to The Split Seconds then. So what's ... Tell us, well, tell us the story about a time you guys, as a band, tried and failed.

Drew Champion:          Ah geez. I feel like that's every time we try.

Sean Peterson:             Yeah.

Drew Champion:          Yeah.

Alex Massi:                   We already talked about you peeing in a bottle.

Drew Champion:          Yeah. I think that, no, I mean, there's some seriousness when I say that it feels like all the time. I mean, we're always trying to write good songs and sometimes you come up short trying to play good gigs, sometimes you come up short. And just like keep working at it. But I'd say, like in the long term, I don't think there have been any like real big setbacks for us, we've been lucky that way.

Brian:                           So nice. Nice, guys. Well, what about ... All right, so now, for each of you then, this one's for each of you, what do you have in your music collection that might surprise us? Go down the line.

Drew Champion:          This is Drew. I mean, I listen to a lot of stuff, everything, I like a lot of classical music, a lot of jazz. I listen to a lot of metal. So I actually don't listen to all that much punk rock.

Brian:                           Interesting.

Drew Champion:          Yeah. I used to listen to a lot of punk rock and I do feel like that's kind of my core sound. But at the same time, if I'm just out listening to something, it's almost never punk rock. So yeah.

Brian:                           Interesting. And when you get in the car, which way do you go first? Metal, jazz, classical?

Drew Champion:          What kind of day did I have?

Brian:                           Oh. All right, I got you.

Drew Champion:          Yeah, no, it's been a lot of metal lately. I just picked up Refused's first record. I guess that's considered like hardcore. But yeah, some good dissonance. But if I'm trying to chill out, sure, it's some Brahms, some Tchaikovsky.

Brian:                           Nice.

Drew Champion:          And then, you know, if it's a Saturday afternoon and I'm hanging out, maybe some Stan Gets, maybe some Charlie Christian.

Brian:                           Cool. All right, Steve, what about you, man?

Stephen Parsons:          I think we all have kinda varied musical tastes. But I don't think anybody else has a Katy Perry record on vinyl.

Sean Peterson:             That's awesome.

Drew Champion:          Yeah.

Brian:                           And you do?

Stephen Parsons:          Yeah.

Brian:                           Oh, that's great.

Stephen Parsons:          Sounds great. I've got Teenage Dream, which is a fantastic record.

Sean Peterson:             Oh, that's sweet.

Brian:                           Oh, that is a good one.

Sean Peterson:             That's awesome.

Stephen Parsons:          Friends up there. [crosstalk 00:13:49]

Brian:                           You know, I almost wanna hear you guys cover a Katy Perry song. I think that would be hysterical.

Stephen Parsons:          I feel like that's happened before.

Sean Peterson:             I'm down with that. Like which one would you choose?

Stephen Parsons:          No, all of them.

Brian:                           You heard it here first. Maybe that happens. Oh god, that'd be hysterical. Anyway, please take a video whenever that day comes and I will share it.

Stephen Parsons:          Deal.

Brian:                           That would be awesome. All right. What about you?

Sean Peterson:             Hey, this is Sean. Drew kind of already went down this route and I'm not gonna try and get too nerdy here, but I'm a classically trained musician before I'm a drummer. So, I don't-

Brian:                           Really?

Sean Peterson:             Yeah.

Brian:                           Classical trained in what?

Sean Peterson:             Euphonium.

Brian:                           Really?

Drew Champion:          It's like a little tuba.

Sean Peterson:             It's like a little tuba, yeah.

Brian:                           Oh, that's so good.

Sean Peterson:             I actually went to school for music, for better or for worse. So the punk rock thing kind of happened after I got out of school. I was kind of disillusioned with being a classical musician.

Brian:                           Well, when did you switch to drums?

Sean Peterson:             So I randomly met Drew's Mom when I was working at an autobody shop, this is kind of one of the first in this series of like odd jobs. And one day, I was driving this lady to get her car picked up and she goes, "Oh, my son's a guitarist and he's really, really good." And I was thinking to myself, like, "Yeah, right, lady. Yeah, no, you're not."

Brian:                           Every mom says that. Okay.

Sean Peterson:             But I had kind of ... I did drum line in college and I was like, "Hey, drums was always fun." I hate like what I was doing before, but if I wanted to pick back music up again, like maybe I'd consider being a drummer.

Brian:                           Nice.

Sean Peterson:             And so she mentioned that her son Drew needed a drummer and I was like, "Oh, I play drums." Kind of like stretching the truth a little bit. So I waited a couple weeks, bought a drum set and called Drew up and now we're in a band. Now we're on a podcast.

Drew Champion:          So I went to-

Brian:                           And now you're on a podcast. Love it.

Drew Champion:          I went to his house and we jammed like the first record and he played it basically flawlessly. I had no idea that he had just learned drums in like two weeks.

Brian:                           Wow.

Drew Champion:          Yeah.

Sean Peterson:             The moral of the story is sometimes lying is good.

Brian:                           Kids, don't listen too close to that. But, okay, yes.

Sean Peterson:             You should. You should listen very close.

Brian:                           There you go. I love it. Oh, man. All right. One more. Talk to us.

Alex Massi:                   Wow. This is Alex. Yeah, music collection, I mean, I'm really into Brad Paisley, he's got that country-

Stephen Parsons:          Wow, I didn't see that coming.

Alex Massi:                   He's got that crazy guitar work, he's phenomenal.

Sean Peterson:             That's true.

Brian:                           Brad Paisley.

Alex Massi:                   But then, I guess, I'm also eclectic, I throw down with all types of EDM, whether we're talking like dubstep, trap-

Sean Peterson:             Trash can noises.

Alex Massi:                   Yeah.

Sean Peterson:             Everything.

Brian:                           Wow. EDM, oh god.

Alex Massi:                   Transformer, transformer sounds, you know?

Sean Peterson:             Yep, that's right.

Brian:                           It's so good. All right. And then my last question that I, it's my favorite one that I love to ask and this is for all of you guys: if you could offer one piece of advice, what would it be?

Drew Champion:          This is Drew. I think staying humble is important, especially if you're a musician, just if you're ever thinking that you're something special and you lose that determination, just keep your head down and keep doing what you gotta do. And if you ever think that something's owed to you, you're probably wrong. So yeah.

Brian:                           Fair enough.

Stephen Parsons:          Kind of going off what Drew said, I think don't stop, don't stop playing music because success is definitely not going to come if you don't try, if you're not diligent.

Brian:                           Good point.

Sean Peterson:             So in addition to lying, that's a good call back. Going off of what Drew and Steve said, I think work hard, be really, really nice to people because knowing the right people and having great relationships with them one, opens the most doors for you and two, makes the experience better for everyone involved. It kind of creates communities of people who support each other and that's awesome.

Drew Champion:          I'm still working on that one.

Brian:                           Yeah.

Drew Champion:          Yeah, excellent.

Brian:                           Although, I mean, you guys are all nice guys. Even though in your photos you look like tough guys, I can say that you're all nice guys. I dig it.

Alex Massi:                   All right. Hey, this is Alex. And, I mean, this is a lot of persistence coming from the rest of the group. And while it's great to keep your head down and really grind at it, it's always good to take a minute, take a breather and look around 'cause there's a lot you can miss, life is short.

Drew Champion:          Yeah.

Brian:                           So like what comes to ... When you're saying that, is there something specific that comes to mind when you're ... Like an example or what do you mean?

Alex Massi:                   I mean, honestly, just it doesn't even have to be music related, just going outside and just taking a look up at the sky.

Drew Champion:          This is why Alex is engaged and the rest of us aren't.

Brian:                           That's so deep, man.

Sean Peterson:             Yeah.

Alex Massi:                   [crosstalk 00:17:58]

Brian:                           It's so good. All right. I could see what she sees in you.

Alex Massi:                   Oh, stop.

Brian:                           I love it. All right. Well and then when ... And for those folks who wanna find out more about you guys and the stuff going on with The Split Seconds, where do they go?

Drew Champion: is gonna your first place to stop. If you wanna hear the new record, it should be up on all the outlets within the next couple of days. But if you just can't wait, is where you wanna head. And definitely give us a like on Facebook,



October 11, 2016 - Special Guest: Ménage À Garage

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  1. DC Artists can submit their projects released 10-01-15 to 9-30-16 for consideration for the Wammies (Washington Area Music Awards).  I'm leaving this link here in case it comes back online, the WAMA email said it should still work, but as of 10-11-16 I tried this link and it's no longer working
  2. Aaron Tinjum and the Tangents Day is today, Oct 11th.  A DC band now, the band used to be in Austin.  They had their holiday proclaimed by the Mayor in 2012
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  1. Tongues - Aaron Tinjum and the Tangents (Folk/Rock)
  2. Die in a Fire - Ménage À Garage (Punk/Pop Punk)
  3. Sweet Dreams - Sara Curtin (Indie/Pop Rock)
  4. Falling in a Dream - The Split Seconds (Punk/Pop Punk)
  5. Alone in the Seas - Calm and Crisis (Indie/Punk Rock)
  6. State Tengo Champions - The Hartford Pussies (Punk/90s Rock)
  7. Better Luck Next Time - Curse Words (Punk/Punk Rock)
  8. Intro/Outro music by Fellowcraft (Hard Rock/Blues)

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Ménage À Garage DC Music Rocks

Ménage À Garage (MÀG) is an energetic poppy punk trio from Washington, DC. Since forming in 2015, MÀG has been immersed in the growing music scene in DC, performing at many local venues including DC 9 and the Rock & Roll Hotel. MÀG performs all-original music from the trifecta of rock storytelling (teen angst, corrupt politics, and outer space), and have become known for their energetic and heartfelt performance style, affecting melodies, and meticulous attention to song-craft and lyrics. MÀG is Jenny Thomas on bass, Alyson Cina on drums, and John Nolt on lead vocals and guitar.



Ménage À Garage DC Music Rocks


Brian:  Ménage á Garage and their track, "Die in a Fire." So guys, tell us about that track.

Jenny:  John. What it was with that track, it has a long story, but we'll make it short.

John:  We have another song called "Ugly Duckling," which is kind of about someone who's been bullied. 

John:  During one of our practice sessions, the gang was like ... Well, we had some new chords and we were kind of running through these new chords, and I asked, "what should this song be about," and it kind of turned out that everybody said, "Well, what if we did a response to another song?" It turned out to be "Ugly Duckling," and so this song's lyrics are kind of a response as if we are responding to someone who wrote us a letter about the song "Ugly Duckling."

John:  "Ugly Duckling" being about bullying, this song, these lyrics, to me ... There's always been a little bit of tension in my mind about peoples' tendency to tell folks when they're troubled that it gets better.

Jenny:  It gets better.

John:  Because there are certain people who their outlook on life, they don't believe you, right? You can say, "No, it'll get better, don't worry, kid, it's going to be fine," and that kid's going to say, "You know what, don't tell me that." Adults always say things like that, and there's a certain mindset that responds better if you say, "Well, I don't know if it's going to get better; this is just the way life is. Life doesn't owe you anything. What are you going to do?"

Brian:  I see.

John:  "Are you going to give up? Are you going to turn tail and run? What if it never stops raining? What if it never rains again?" All of this stuff is an unknown, so that's kind of what the song is about. It sounds on its surface like it's very pessimistic and down, but it's really kind of a call to action about, what are you going to do if things don't go your way?

Brian:  I dig that message, and let's get to know you guys. So what I want you to do is, if you would introduce yourselves. I want to find out about who's John and who's Jenny, and then also tell us about Ménage á Garage and where the ... The brief history. You don't have to give me the long ones here, but the brief story about the band.

Jenny:  Oh sure, sure. Well, we met at Flash Band, which is an amazing little organization in D.C. It's a great resource for musicians, and it the theme was trios, so hence Ménage. It has actually no other overtones. It's just about three people.

Brian:  Got it, okay.

Jenny:  But music, we're a trio, a power trio, and both John and I have our long musical histories. I've been in a couple bands, and he's been doing all sorts of really educated musical things.

Brian:  So does this go all the way back? Are we talking like, elementary school, and ...

Jenny:  I think probably so, yeah, for both of us.

Brian:  Back there. 

Jenny:  Lifelong learning.

John:  Oh yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

Brian:  Got it, and at what point did you guys decide that, even as adults, we're going to keep doing this music thing, or has that always been the case? Did you stop and then come back to it?

John:  I never considered ... It never occurred to me that I could stop.

Brian:  Yeah, yeah. I don't believe in, like, "once a musician, always a musician." Sometimes you may have like a dry period, where you're just, whatever, not plugged into whatever you're ...

John:  I could see people stopping and doing other things, and I used to do that, and I've met plenty of people that have done that. It just never occurred to me to do that.

Jenny:  No. Doesn't occur to us.

John:  Nothing wrong with it.

Jenny:  That's why we're middle-aged people who play rock music and just embarrass ourselves publicly, and that's just what we do.

Brian:  It's a calculated embarrassment.

Jenny:  It's a skill. No no no.

Brian:  It's a skill. That's even better.

John:  It's owning our skill.

Jenny:  It's a true talent.

John:  Owning my embarrassment.

Jenny:  You know, yeah. It takes extra-special skill.

Brian:  There it is. So, briefly, then tell ... How did you get into music, way back in the beginning?

Jenny:  Okay. Well, my older brother ... I was always surrounded by music. My older brother listened to a lot of really great albums, and he was kind of into the punk scene in southern California, and so I got to listen to things like Hüsker Dü and all those things like, way back in the day. I've always just been attracted to music, and went to my first concert, Roxy Music, when I was 14, and that was a pretty good start. So both just being a musician, and I always ... Music has been a survival mechanism. I mean, it's like I can't live without it. So there was just no question.

Brian:  Wow. Okay. Committed to it. What about you, John?

John:  Well, my mother started me on piano lessons in second grade, and then she started me on cello lessons in third grade, and then I started myself on drum lessons in fourth grade.

John:  To get back at her for making me play the piano and the cello. I played all three of those things the whole way through high school, and into college where I went to Millersville in Lancaster, Pennsylvania for music education. So that was until I was 21, 22, something like that, and after that, played a lot of weddings, played a lot of string quartets, church cantatas, that sort of things. But I love pop music and taught myself guitar when I was working at a movie theater, running movies, and when you run the movies, you usually have a lot of down time, like 45 minutes while everything's playing.

Brian:  That does make sense.

John:  So I would bring my guitar in and be up in the booth, just playing and writing songs and teaching myself how to do that, which is what I really always wanted to do while I was learning how to play Mozart on the cello.

Brian:  That's amazing. All right. So what do you love and appreciate, I like to ask folks, what do you love and appreciate about the D.C. music scene?

Jenny:  Sure. Well I mean, I don't even know if this is unique to D.C., but it's just been my experience of D.C. which is, there's so many good people in the scene. Maybe we've just been fortunate to plug into various musical communities. I just find people are very welcoming and supportive of each other as musicians, so one of the best things, which is why I love that we're here today; one of the best things is just getting to listen to all of this D.C. music and learning about it, because otherwise, I mean, we're not very ... Or a a show, and the live shows that happen around town, you know we wouldn't know about all this great music.

Brian:  That's true. John, what about you? What do you love about the scene?

John:  Well, there are, like Jenny said, there are a lot of talented, generous people in the scene, such as yourself and your band mates, and some of the folks, well I guess all of the folks that we're going to play today.

Jenny:  No, no just some. We're going to call them out.

John:  Well, there's one ...

Jenny:  Who will remain unnamed.

John:  But that's really what it is. The quality and the level of proficiency of the music in D.C. is very high. Historically, D.C. has a great tradition of a professional level of music, and the even the DIY and amateur scene keeps that level up, which is what I appreciate because I don't consider myself a hobbyist. I mean, I aspire to a professional level of quality, even though it's not how I make my living. I think that's what you have to do if you're a passionate musician, unless you're just going to be at home playing the guitar and playing Jimmy Buffett, which is perfectly fine, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not me.

Brian:  Right, and what you say is really true also. I've got to say, in doing this show, I've gotten to hear so many of these really talented people who, they do this on the side, and they're professional caliber. But they do it on the side as their hobby, and they make their living another way, and it's truly incredible to see.

John:  It's an avocation versus a vocation.

Brian:  Exactly. Exactly. Well, very eloquently put. I dig it. Tell me about your best show that you've done here in town. Well, not even in town, just in general. What's the best who you've done? 

Jenny:  Well, I mean, we're having a little debate about this, but ... So John ... There was one particular show at Wonderland Ballroom where we were, just because stuff happens, we were forced to really ...

John:  We had a hard stop.

Jenny:  We had a hard stop. We were the last band, and suddenly there was just no more time left at all, and we had to pretty much figure out how to play our nice, cozy 35-minute set in about 20 minutes.

Brian:  Oh my goodness.

Jenny:  We were just like, you know, jumping on stage, and we just said "Let's do it," and we just throw down ...

John:  [crosstalk 00:08:48] tucks. No pedals, no nothing.

Jenny:  The crowd that was there, they were great. They went crazy. They were bouncing off the walls dancing. They thought it was just amazing. I mean ...

John:  They knocked the monitors over.

Jenny:  Our music is well-suited to having to go really fast anyway, so it worked out okay.

Brian:  This is true. The punk genre, it definitely ... Good upbeat tempos, upbeat energy; I can imagine that was one heck of a show.

Jenny:  Right, right, and I would say we're definitely more in the pop-punk realm, just not to mislead anybody. But punk in spirit, all the way, so you nailed that.

Brian:  Got it. Now what about ... What's the future look like for you guys? Let me just ask it. What's the future look like for you guys?

Jenny:  Long. There are a lot of years.

Brian:  A lot of years, so you're not going anywhere, okay. So is there a goal you're working toward, or just want to keep making music?

Jenny:  Always, yes. That is the point. Oh, and now we've got our trailer guy, right behind us, so we're ... Yeah. He's trying out.

John:  We aspire to play at every venue in D.C.

Jenny:  That's right.

John:  It would be a great achievement. That would be a milestone for us.

Jenny:  Yeah.

John:  We've still got some to tick off that we're working on, but that's what I think the future would hold for us, and more recording. We're kind of thinking about different approaches to recording and how to put out music in 2016, like how does it work today? What's the best way? We've recorded and EP, and we've watched a lot of our friends, including Fellowcraft, release their EPs, and we're trying to learn from that and figure out, what is the modern ...

Jenny:  Exactly.

John:  What is the way for the 90s to do it, you know?

Jenny:  So we do have an EP coming out, and we want to continue to record because we already have a bunch of songs that we are chomping at the bit to like get to the studio, and even if we're just doing one at a time, just getting them out so folks can enjoy them. As for all those venues that we're going to play, venues out there, we're looking at you.

Brian:  Very excited.

Jenny:  Yeah, here we come.

John:  We write a lot, and it will be great to have our songs out there for people who come to the shows to be able to hear in advance and maybe look forward to them, rather than a more traditional approach of recording it and then working on it, and then six months later, you release it, and then you play those songs. We're just thinking about different approaches to that. So I think that's in our future; some experimentation.

Brian:  One of my favorite questions to ask is one piece of advice you would offer to musicians?

John:  Join Flashband.

Jenny:  And be yourself.

Brian:  Best, most succinct answers yet. Join Flashband, and be yourself. What about a special message for your fans?

Jenny:  All of our fans, so wait, how many is that? 

John:  Jenny's fans?

Brian:  All of those fans out there. 

Jenny:  We love you. I think I'm going to try to get this guy, who's drilling the door, to be our fan. We were super excited when actually ... Just so you know, the inner workings of a musician's brain, right, that we were really excited when we met our first fan who we did not know.

Brian:  Ah, yes

Jenny:  They were not someone's friend, or ...

Brian:  It's the transition.

Jenny:  I mean it, ended up it was somebody's friend, but she legitimately said, like, "No no no, I came because of you guys, not just because I know your friend over here. That's just a coincidence." So...

John:  I don't think she's been to a show since that one.

Jenny:  That's true. Oh well, we're working on it.

Brian:  There's been so many others since then.

Jenny:  So we're asking, won't you be our fan? Please?

John:  She just did that to get us to buy her a beer, I think. I'm in a band.

Brian:  There you go.

John:  It worked.

Brian:  Clever. Clever. I dig it guys. For those folks who want to find out more about Ménage á Garage, where do they go? What are the best places to find you?

John:  All the places. 

Jenny:  All the places. You know, Facebook. I know. We know that it's a struggle for people who don't know French that we have all these accents, okay, but it's ...

John:  You don't have to type the accents. You'll get to us.

Jenny:  You don't. It's spelled ... it's not Nicki Minaj spelling; it's men-age a garage. That's like the easiest phonetic spelling I can kind of give over the radio.

John:  If you type that in to any convenient search box, you will probably find us

Jenny:  Just Google.